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Re: [vps-mail] Challenge Response



Ah, perfect. I will give that to my users and see what they think. Thank you.

Jonathan


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Matt Cohen wrote:

Ah, that's different.

A little off-topic, but I personally use KidzMail for my 5 year old daughter: ‹http://haranbanjo.com/›;

It allows you to set it to only accept email from people in the address book.  It downloads the whole POP account, but only displays the email of known people.

Available for Mac and Windows (I use the mac versioon)

Matt
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:04:22 -0700 (MST) Jonathan Duncan <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I remember that post.  I started this thread because I have some users
with children who would like to have e-mail accounts for their children
but to not want any spam.  (Hey, I want that too, but anyway.)  How I have
it set up now is that all mail to their children is sent to the parents
who then manually filter and forward real mail to the children.  I thought
challenge response might be a good idea for them, but perhaps I will just
use the spamassassin features of only accepting mail from certain people
for the children's accounts.

Thanks,
--
Jonathan Duncan
Administrator
801.376.7796
JKD Web Magic
http://www.jkdwebmagic.com
Web Site Hosting and Design


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Matt Cohen wrote:

You're welcome to use whatever you like on your systems, but FYI here's a
post I made on the iserver list regarding challenge-response systems:

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1)As a business, if someone signs up for my newsletter, I'm going to be
assaulted with many of these 'challenge' emails to send out every time I send
a new issue.  Some systems require that you re-send the email from a specific
address with a key-code in the subject line. For a large automated list using
mailman or majordomo, this can be cost-prohibitive and will probably result
in me not completing any of them.

2)What if my online store sends an email receipt which gets blocked by a
challenge response system?  I don't want to take the time to reply to all the
challenges, and then a customer complains that he never got his receipt, or
figures that it didn't go thru and places the order again, etc., etc.,

3)What if a virus sends this person an email, and it bounces with the
challenge to the original virus victim? (or a third party?)  What if THAT
person has a challenge system and sends a challenge BACK to the first
recipient.  Will this create a mail loop?  If not, how does the challenge
system detect that it is another challenge and not send a reply?  how long
will it take for spammers to figure out that system to get their emails to
bypass the challenge system?

4)As a consumer, if I'm trying to contact a business, I don't want the 3rd
degree when trying to buy Something.  Think about the dial-up user:  They
send an email, get off line until the next day, when they find that they have
to send a challenege response back just to make their FIRST email (from
yesterday) get delivered, which is just frustrating and will negatively
impact their feeling of this business.

5)As an ISP/mail host, some spammer uses your domain as a reply-to address.
So you get all these challenges to emails you never sent that you now have to
sort thru one-by-one, since you're not sure which of them are real and which
are as a result of a spammer abusing your domain name.

True, no system is perfect, but I'd much rather take my chances with
spamassassin letting spam thru then deal with a '100% spam solution' (their
words) that has these major problems with them.
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Also, here's an old but still valid opinion from CNET:

http://news.com.com/2010-1071_3-1009745.html

Have fun!
Matt

At 8:38 AM -0700 1/17/05, Jonathan Duncan said something about:
This was discussed a while back.  Which, if any, Challenge Response Systems
(CRS) are people using and liking?  spam.abuse.net refers to Spam


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